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Reportage über Thüringer Wasserabziehsteine Teil 1

IMPORTANT: There will be an english release of the Documentry!!

Guten Morgen, ich freue mich euch heute ein neues Razorlovestones Projekt vorstellen zu können!

Ich habe mich das letzte halbe Jahr recht ausführlich mit Firmen beschäftigt die Thüringer Wasserabziehsteine und andere Steine in Verkehr gebracht haben. Nach einiger Suche ist mir aufgefallen das es bisher eigentlich kein umfassendes Video zu den Thüringer Steinen gibt, deshalb habe ich mein Verständnis darüber wie die Steine funktionieren und welche Eigenschaften Sie mitbringen in ein Video gepackt.

Der Weg dahin war “steinig” und “schwer” 😉 neben dem rein zeitlichen Aufwand hatte ich zwischendrin technische Probleme mit dem Imovie App was mein Projekt immer wieder zum abstürzen gebracht hat. Mittlerweile habe ich einen Weg gefunden und habe final zwei Teile daraus gemacht.

Heute findet ihr den ersten Teil vor euch! Ein zweiter folgt dann später noch. Der erste Teil hat folgende Inhalte:

1. Einleitung und warum Thüringer
2. Körnungsangaben / Grit Size
3. optischer Facettenvergleich
4. Thüringer Brocken
5. Farben und Preise
6. künstliche Thüringer
7. Fassbinder & Co Solingen
8. andere Schiefer Abziehsteine
9. mehrschichtige Steine
10. Abnutzungserscheinungen
11. Aussergewöhnliche Thüringer
12. Pierre Du Sud Ouest
13. Schwedensteine
14. Farbtöne
15. Identifikation

Ich wünsche euch viel Spass beim schauen des Videos. Solltet ihr Fragen oder auch andere Meinungen und Ansichten zu den Steinen haben die ihr gerne teilen möchtet kommentiert gerne in dem Kommentarbereich des Videos oder auch hier unterhalb des Posts.

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Reportage – 001 Thüringer Wasserabziehsteine

Special Stone only for Good Razors marque F.G.B.C. 178 x 40 x 22

Density: xxgr./cm³ / Estimated grit size: ultra fine > 15k
Usage: with water, oil or glycerin (FGBC says to use the stone with oil)
Color: gray-blue slate with metallic sparkle look
Supplier/Distributor: F.G.B.C.



About this specific Stone:
A very nice example of a Special Stone only for Good Razors marque (F.G.B.C.). This one owns no Stamping in fine, very fine, extra fine but it shows one of the later appearing (MF) Manufrance – Saint Etienne stickers and a Special Stone marque F.G.B.C. lable.

Manufrance Saint-Etienne lable
(MF) Manufrance – Saint Etienne Sticker

 Also visible are finer grained saw marks, the older stones show coarser cutting marks. The newer ones show finer grained saw marks. 

Short Rating of the Stone:
Hardness Level (x/10)
Speed Level (9/10)
Polishing Level (8/10)
Difficulty Level: medium-hard

Short Rating of the Shave:
Keenness (8/10)
Smoothness (8/10)
AS Burn (8/10)

Don’t take this rating too serious ! Its based on my individual findings and experiences and cant be transferred 1:1 to your own findings, especially when we talk about natural stones. Besides this every shave depends on technique, the used razor and its steel and the personal feeling on the skin. More details on my short ratings here:
RATINGS


General Information on the fine “French Razor Hones” from F.G.B.C.:
The information written here is in general about the “French Special Stones”. Named here “Pierre La Lune” or the “Special Stone only for Good Razors”.

Both types of stones have been sold from F.G.B.C. and the “Special Stone for Good razors” was also exclusively sold from Manufrance (MF) as beeing a well known french catalogue company in the past. The company was established in Villebouef, Saint Etienne, on the 10th November 1885.

Up to date the origin of the stones and in detail the place where the stones were quarried is not known. Actually there are some traces leading towards the french region down the Vosges (Steige) where a red schist type has its origin called Schist de Steige or “Lie de Vin Rouge”. It has some good properties which might help the stone to be usable as a sharpening stone (SiO2 59,3%, Al2O3 22%, FE2O3 7,3%). Other places could be well some of the Quarries (Merviller-Vacqueville, Pexonne, Badonviller) named in the letterheads or advertisement of F.G.B.C..

Up to May 2014 the Company with the shortcut F.G.B.C. selling the La Lune Stones was unknown, until a member of the french “coupe choux” forum
Coupechouxclub named “FERDI” found an old pricetable from F.G.B.C. from 1974.

F.G.B.C. stands for the company “F. Ghelfi Birolleau & Cie.”  selling sharpening stones and building up Grinding stones. They sold different kinds of stones like “Pierre Du Levant”, “Pierre Arkansas” and Grinding Hones like “Grés Blanc, Gris & Rouge”. They had men made stones like the “New Master Stone” in their catalogue which is a SIC (Siliciumcarbide) Stone or a “Brocken Selected La Lune Extra Fin” which seems to be a double sided sharpening stone.

The Company F. Ghelfi & Cie., Maisons Birolleau & F. Ghelfi & Cie. Réunies, used different adresses during their appearance: 7 Rue Charlot, Paris (1916), 17 Rue de Saintonge, Paris (1922), 47 Rue de Saintonge, Paris (1925). Also it seems that there existed a former company named “D. Giovannacci & L. Ghelfi”, 84, Faubourg St. Antoine, Paris (1893) and “Bardotti, Ghelfi & Cie.”, 106 Rue de Fanbourg, Saint-Antoine (1889). The newer company name “F. Ghelfi Birolleau & Cie” was also down the 47 Rue de Saintonge, Paris (1974), so it seems that the company stayed there from 1925-1974 concerning the documents. The years in brackets are taken out of existent documents like invoices or letters.

On some of the older Lorraine stones there is also a shortcut given named M.P.O.P. which was the addition to the predecessors company or probably a parallel runned company from “D. Giovannici, L. & B. Ghelfi”. M.P.O.P. stands for “Meules, Pierres, Outillage, Produits”.

Video:

About this stone:
This is one of the bigger examples and a very clean one, sometimes small black lines or holes appear in the stones. This one has none of the named inclusions. It seems that this one is also one of the older stones due the usage of the label.


Usage:
Often there is a discussion how the stones are used the best way, some mention to use them only with water, some say oil or glycerine. Concerning the facts: the stones were mentioned to use with oil, this information is given on the Bulletin de Garantie which was delivered with the stones from F.G.B.C.


Indicators/Indentifiers:
1. red/purple or blue/green/blackish slate, dense and very hard
2. metallic or sparkle surface which reflects in the light, smal reflecting particles
3. fast cutting abilities due it is a very fine finishing stone
4. stamped “fine”, “very fine”, “extra fine”
5. usable with oil, water and glycerin
6. there were stones appearing as “Pierre de L’est” with the same look

The best usage seems to be with glycerin, which was mentioned in different ways from different members. A special thanks here to Ekretz, Bayamonate and Sharpchef which helped me out to get more into using the stones the best way.

It seems that after the last finishing routine with a high rated grit stone (10K, 12K, Thuringian) the latest 50 laps should be done with the weight of the razor.


External Links

My Videos from the Razorlovestones project:

Razorlovestones: “Series 1 – French Hones”

Razorlovestones: “Combinaison Master Stone / La Lune marque F.G.B.C.”

Razorlovestones: “Pierre Aiguiser La Lune marque F.G.B.C.”

Razorlovestones: “Pierre aiguiser “La Lune” (red/purple slate)”

Razorlovestones: “Special Stone for good razors: Steel removal with Kitchen Knife”

Razorlovestones: “Pierre aiguiser La Lune vs. Special Stone for good razors”


Other Videos

Oldengaerde:
 Oldengaerde: “Special Stone only for Good Razors real genuine quality F.G B.C”


 General Information:

Manufrance Website

Manufrance History


More from wetshaving boards here:

Razorandstone (R&S): “Special Stone only for Good Razors”

Razorandstone (R&S): “The Special Stone only Razors”

Straightrazorplace.com (SRP): “Pierre La Lune”

Straightrazorplace.com (SRP): “A Special Stone”

Straightrazorplace.com (SRP): “French Hones”

Coupe Choux Club: “Pierre La Lune”

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F. Ghelfi, Birolleau & Cie (F.G.B.C.), Paris

ANNOUNCEMENT / DEUTSCHE VERSION / ENGLISH VERSION

 Content:
1. F.G.B.C. = Ferdinand(o) Ghelfi, Birolleau & Cie.
2. Historical approach and Italian roots
3. Old Pictures from the store F. Ghelfi & Cie. at 7, Rue de Charlot
4. The Trademarks from F.G.B.C.
5. The Quarries from F.G.B.C.
6. Steige, possibly origin of the fine red razor hones ?
7. Products and services from F.G.B.C.
8. Razor Hones “Pierre aiguiser LA LUNE”
9. Classification of the “LA LUNE” and “Special Stones”
10. La Lune and Special Stones from other suppliers?
11. A  promise on quality!
The warranty card, or the “Bulletin de Garantie”
12. Combo Stones “Combinaison Stone” AD12 / AD20
13. Scythe Stones “Pierre a faux” made of Pierre Natural de Saurat
14. Arkansas Stones
15. other Stones made by F.G.B.C.
16. The F.G.B.C. “Prix Courant” / Price List from 1974
17. Unknown Products
18. F.G.B.C. on the bigger trade fairs?
19. F.G.B.C. and Manufrance
20. Collection and how to identify french stones
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F. Ghelfi, Birolleau & Cie (F.G.B.C.), Paris

ANKÜNDIGUNG DEUTSCHE VERSION / ENGLISH VERSION

 Inhalt:
1. F.G.B.C. = Ferdinand(o) Ghelfi Birolleau & Cie.
2. Geschichtliche Ansätze und italienische Wurzeln
3. alte Bilder des Ladens F. Ghelfi & Cie. in der 7, Rue de Charlot
4. Die Handelsmarken von F.G.B.C.
5. Die Brüche von F.G.B.C.
6. Steige, möglicherweise die Herkunft der roten feinen Steine ?
7. Produkte und Dienstleistungen von F. Ghelfi Birolleau & Cie.
8. Rasiermesser Abziehsteine “LA LUNE” und
“Special Stones only for Good Razors”
9. Klassifizierung der “LA LUNE” und
“Special Stones only for Good Razors”
10. La Lune und Special Stones anderer Hersteller ?
11. Ein Qualitätsversprechen! Die Garantiekarte bzw. das “Bulletin de Grantie”
12. Kombi Steine “Combinaison Stone”
13. Arkansas Steine
14. Andere Steine die von F.G.B.C. hergestellt wurden
15. Die F.G.B.C. Preisliste / Preis Liste von 1974
16. Unbekannte Produkte
17. FGBC auf den großen Handelsmessen ?
18. F.G.B.C. und Manufrance

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D. Giovannacci & L. Ghelfi “Établissements Belle”, 87 Rue Faubourg St. Antoine (M.P.O.P.)

ANNOUNCEMENT / DEUTSCHE VERSION / ENGLISH VERSION

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