EGS La Lorraine / Rouge Du Salm (224 x 49 x 19mm)

Size: 224 x 49 x 19mm weight:  681gr.
Density: XXXgr./cm³ /  Estimated grit size:  medium – fine > 4-10K
Usage: can be used with water, glycerine and oil
Color: appears different, sometimes with a more
pronounced BBW pattern but tending towards wine red,
sometimes more violet with a certain banding and swirling,
stone tends to auto slurry
Other Names:
Lorraine Rouge, Rouge Du Salm, Salmon Rouge, Salm Rouge
Supplier/Distributor: EGS

About this specific stone:
This one is a labelled stone which shows the nice Landscape with red House near a hill, there are trees around and a fence part the area from the cornfield. On the Top of the Label is written “La Lorraine” and there is a shortcut “EGS” on the right bottom corner, probably standing for the supplier/distributor of these stones.

General Information on Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm:
Firstly extensive explained and named from Henk Bos in his Grinding and Honing Part 4 “Belgian Waterwhetstones”. Henks statement was that the stones being sold as labelled Lorraine Stones are the same stones which were earlier known from the Belgium Quarries as Rouge Du Salm / Engl.: Salm Rouge. They have been extracted in the past from the layers called “Veine Lorraine” or “Veine Rouge Du Salm”.

The Rouge Du Salm / Salm Rouge appears as a special layer within two BBW Layers and can be identified  due to its color and behavior when honing. The color tends to go into a wine red or a darker violet and less into blue. My theory on these stones is that stones being broken out inthe middle of the layer might appear less BBW like. This means they appear with darker violet to blue bending or swirls, sometimes with white inclusions (on working surface) or lines (from a side look). The other stones i own (La Lorraine, Goldfisch Wetzstein) appeared more like a typical Rouge Du Salm / red BBW with the fine grained Salm structure. Some stones might appear mixed up and show up all the properties.

The stones also work quite fast with a thick slurry and a bit pressure and can be used in a lower progression (>4K) up to finishing with plain water into the area of (>8K). The grit rating can further more estimated when using oil, i would guess its possible to reach around (10K).

After owning around eight of these stones i can underline the statement from Henk. Actually it seems that within this layer the structure and appearance widely differs. This means there are stones reaching the optical Rouge Du Salm area with a typical red wine BBW structure and the known dots. Some stones only show the second face of this layer, there is no BBW structure, the color tends to go into dark violet and a very fine looking clouded swirling with colors of light violet, dark violet. It also seems that this second face behaves a bit different, probably its working a bit coarser.

Suppliers of the Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm:
Actually there have been quite a lot of companies selling these stones. First to mention here the company F&Co. (Fassbinder & Co, Solingen) which sold the Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm Stones under the Trademark “Goldfisch Wetzstein”. They also sold Thurigian Water Hones in the past. More on Fassbinder & Co., Solingen in the companies section.

Then there is a company named D. Giovannacci, L. & B. Ghelfi, which labelled the stones with a red label and the text M.P.O.P. (Meules, Pierres, Outillage, Produits), which is probably a precurser of F.G.B.C. (F. Ghelfi, Birroleau & Cie.). The shortcut M.P.O.P. was found on some of the older documents and invoices.

The third Label which came up was a re-labelled “Goldfisch Wetzstein”. Actually this could be a one time example, because under the Goldfisch label there was a “Fox Razor Hone “ label.

They also appear sometimes as unlabelled stones.

External Links

My Videos about technical topics:

Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm Honing Properties

My other Videos:
Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm

Pierre Du Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm
Goldfisch Wetzstein Marke F&Co.

Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm

More Information from the wetshaving boards: (B&B):
“Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm / BBW / Goldfisch Wetzstein “

other Literature/Information:

Bos, Henk
 Grinding and Honing Part 4 Belgian Whetstones
INFO20M – 73 (ISSN: 1872-7824)
“Information for Ship and tool-lovers”
available in english and dutch

Boulvain, F. Prof. & Pingot, J. L. Dr.
Excursions: “Une introduction à la GEOLOGIE de la WALLONIE”,Université de Liège, Faculté des Sciences,
Département de Géologie, 2014


 Boulvain, F. Prof.
Excursions “Excursions des cours de Processus
Sedimentaires et Geologie de la Wallonie”
Université de Liège, Faculté des Sciences,
Département de Géologie, 2013

Caubergs Michel
“Inventaire de quelques anciennes mines et
carrieres souterraines de Wallonie”
Essai D’archeologie miniere, 1991

Devleeschouwer, Mullard, Goemaere
“Underground Workings of Slate Vein and Coticule in the commune of Vielsam (Belgium): The Geological Risk Management through Database and GIS”
Post-Mining 2005, November 16-17, Nancy, France

Gaspard, Charles
“L’industrie de la Pierre a rasoir dans le region de Sart-Lierneux”Extraites des Enquêtes du Museé de la Vie Wallonie,
TOME XIV (No. 5 157-160)

Goemaere, Eric
“Ardoise et coticule en Terre de Salm, Des pierres et des Hommes”
Collection Geosciences du Service Géologique de Belgique, Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique
ISBN : 978-2-9600676-1-3

Goemaere, Eric
“Ardoise et coticule en Terre de Salm, Des pierres et des Hommes
Extrait L’atelier Burton”

Collection Geosciences du Service Géologique de Belgique, Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique
ISBN : 978-2-9600676-1-3

Goemaere, E. & Declercq, P-Y.
“Le “coticule” de Vielsalm et Lierneux (Belgique)” une pierrre à aiguiser au passé mondial”
Ann. Soc. géologique du Nord, 19 (2e série), 117-131, 2012

Lessuise, A.
“Le coticule. Situation géographique et géologique des gisements. Exploitation et préparation des pierres abrasives. Valorisation des déchets d’exploitation”
Annales des Mines de Belgique, 1: 101-125, 1981

Remacle, A.
“Les ardoisières de l’Ardenne belge”
Intérêt biologique et état des lieux des sites en surface. Région wallonne, Direction Générale des Ressources Naturelles et de l’Environnement, Division de la Nature et des Forêts, Travaux n° 30, 189 p., 2007

Renard, A. & S.J.
“Sur la structure et La Composition Minéralogique Du Coticule et sur ses Rapports avec Le Phyllade Oligistifère”

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