Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm (unlabelled)


Size: 200 x 50 x 20mm weight:  XXXgr.
Density: XXXgr./cm³ /  Estimated grit size:  medium – fine > 4-10K
Usage: can be used with water, glycerine and oil
Color: appears different, sometimes with a more
pronounced BBW pattern but tending towards wine red,
sometimes more violet with a certain banding and swirling,
stone tends to auto slurry

General Information on Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm:
Firstly extensive explained and named from Henk Bos in his Grinding and Honing Part 4 “Belgian Waterwhetstones”. Henks statement was that the stones beeing sold as labelled Lorraine Stones are the same stones which were earlier known from the Belgium Quarries as Rouge Du Salm / Engl.: Salm Rouge. They have been extracted in the past from the layers called
Veine Lorraine or Veine Rouge Du Salm.

The Rouge Du Salm / Salm Rouge appears as a special layer within two BBW Layers and can be identified  due to its color and behavior when honing. The color tends to go into a wine red or a darker violet and less into blue.

The stones also work quite fast with a thick slurry and a bit pressure and can be used in a lower progression (>4K) up to finishing with plain water into the area of (>8K). After owning around eight of these stones i can underline the statement from Henk. Actually it seems that within this layer the structure and appearance widely differs. This means there are stones reaching the optical Rouge Du Salm area with a typical red wine BBW structure and the known dots. Some stones only show the second face of this layer, there is no BBW structure, the color tends to go into dark violet and a very fine looking clouded swirling with colors of light violet, dark violet. It also seems that this second face behaves a bit different, probably its working a bit coarser.

About this stone:
As i already got several of the stones i had the chance to compare each of the individual stones. Actually this example is the first one letting me to underline or confirm the statement Henk has given before. One of the sides shows a typical BBW pattern (Salmon pattern) and a certain darker banding. The other sided tends a bit more into a darker violet color and shows the typical banding / swirling in one of the corners which i also found on the other stones. So it seems depending where the stones were taken out youll get either a more violet stone with a quite different pattern or a typical BBW look a like stone with the typical BBW pattern. All the stones i tested did auto slurry quite fast. It takes about 10-15laps with a medium pressure and a lot of slurry will be created.


External Links

My Videos about technical topics:

Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm Honing Properties

My other Videos:
Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm

Pierre Du Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm
Goldfisch Wetzstein Marke F&Co.

Pierre Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm

More Information from the wetshaving boards:

Badgerandblade.com (B&B): “Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm / BBW / Goldfisch Wetzstein ”
<a href=”http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/451050-Lorraine-Rouge-Rouge-Du-Salm-BBW-Goldfisch-Wetzstein&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/451050-Lorraine-Roug…</a>

<b>general Information on Water Hones:</b>

Gammas Site Tomonagura.com:
<a href=”http://www.tomonagura.com/&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>www.tomonagura.com/</a>

Olivia-Seife.de: “Steinevergleich”
<a href=”http://www.olivia-seife.de/steinevergleich.htm&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>www.olivia-seife.de/steinevergleich.htm</a>

<b>other Literature/Information:</b>

[1] Bos, Henk – “Grinding and Honing Part 4 Belgian Whetstones”, Info 20M, ISSN 1872-7824
(Link: <a href=”http://www.xs4all.nl/~bosq&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>www.xs4all.nl/~bosq</a>)

[2] Boulvain, F. Prof. & Pingot, J. L. Dr. – Excursions: “Une introduction à la GEOLOGIE de la WALLONIE”, Université de Liège, Faculté des Sciences, Département de Géologie, 2014
(Link: <a href=”http://www2.ulg.ac.be/geolsed/geolwal/geolwal.htm&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>www2.ulg.ac.be/geolsed/geolwal/geolwal.htm</a>)

[3] Boulvain, F. Prof. – Excursions “Excursions des cours de Processus Sedimentaires et Geologie de la Wallonie”, Université de Liège, Faculté des Sciences, Département de Géologie, 2013

[4] Caubergs Michel – “Inventaire de quelques anciennes mines et carrieres souterraines de Wallonie”, Essai D’archeologie miniere, 1991

[5] Devleeschouwer, Xavier / Mullard, Cyril / Goemaere, Eric – “Underground Workings of Slate Vein and Coticule in the commune of Vielsam (Belgium): The Geological Risk Management through Database and GIS”, Post-Mining 2005, November 16-17, Nancy, France
(Link: <a href=”http://gisos.ensg.inpl-nancy.fr/fileadmin/File/PM_2005/PM05_pdf/T4_T6/Devleeschouwer et al.pdf” rel=”nofollow”>gisos.ensg.inpl-nancy.fr/fileadmin/File/PM_2005/PM05_pdf/…</a>)

[6] Gaspard, Charles – “L’industrie de la Pierre a rasoir dans le region de Sart-Lierneux”, Extraites des Enquêtes du Museé de la Vie Wallonie, TOME XIV (No. 5 157-160)

[7] Goemaere, Eric – “Ardoise et coticule en Terre de Salm, Des pierres et des Hommes”, Collection Geosciences du Service Géologique de Belgique, Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique, ISBN : 978-2-9600676-1-3
(Link: <a href=”http://www.sciencesnaturelles.be/institute/stru&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>www.sciencesnaturelles.be/institute/stru</a> cture/geology/gsb…)

 (Extrait “L’atelier Burton: <a href=”http://www.sciencesnaturelles.be/institute/stru&#8221; rel=”nofollow”>www.sciencesnaturelles.be/institute/stru</a> cture/geology/gsb…)

[8] Goemaere, E. & Declercq, P-Y. , 2012. “Le “coticule” de Vielsalm et Lierneux (Belgique)” une pierrre à aiguiser au passé mondial. Ann. Soc. géologique du Nord, 19 (2e série), 117-131

[9] Lessuise, A., “Le coticule. Situation géographique et géologique des gisements. Exploitation et préparation des pierres abrasives. Valorisation des déchets d’exploitation” Annales des Mines de Belgique, 1: 101-125, 1981

[10] Remacle, A. – “Les ardoisières de l’Ardenne belge” Intérêt biologique et état des lieux des sites en surface. Région wallonne, Direction Générale des Ressources Naturelles et de l’Environnement, Division de la Nature et des Forêts, Travaux n° 30, 189 p., 2007

[11] Renard, A. & S.J. – “Sur la structure et La Composition Minéralogique Du Coticule et sur ses Rapports avec Le Phyllade Oligistifère, 21.10.1876

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